All right, I know I'm going to start at the end and work backwards. Because that's what's lingering with me. Now, I knew going into this movie that it was the middle child of a trilogy. I have a tendency to like middle trilogy children. I don't know why. Two Towers is my favourite (of the books). I have a soft spot for Empire.

I'm also no longer going to pretend that I'm not a pretentious brat when it comes to my opinions about writing. Sorry.

So! I have a slight problem with a set of movies that starts out with a nice, self-contained and very entertaining story. And then in the next movie ends in a cliffhanger. And not even... I don't know. Just something about the way they chose to end it left me quite frustrated. It's a ballsy move on the writer's part, that much I'm certain of. The Black Pearl is gone, and most obviously, freaking Jack Sparrow is being digested by the freaking Kraken. That sets you up for a movie, a final movie in a trilogy, largely driven by characters that have fallen consistently well below most people's radars for I'll say at least half of it, if they want to maintain the sort of suspense they've set up. (Though it's clear that that suspense isn't really necessary, since the Kraken didn't even digest his freaking hat.) (Also, I'd like to add that the first time the word "Kraken" was uttered, I had to laugh, because the first thing to mind was the [livejournal.com profile] omg_alchemist scavenger hunt and C!Envy.)

This also bothers me because my number one complaint about this movie (well, among other things) was that there wasn't as much Johnny Depp. I refuse, refuse to throw myself on his fangirl bandwagon. However, he carried the first movie. And this one tried to be far too democratic, and never gave him the chance. I realize this is probably a set-up so the final movie works better. Fine. But dude! Jack Sparrow is the best pirate ever. Will could easily be an emo boy, and though, yay, Elizabeth was not only occasionally a strong female character, but also still female (her little hissy fit was quite amusing)... not enough Jack. Or really, not enough proper Jack hijinks. He got himself into his own trouble, and got himself out of it. It was almost like he had his own separate plotline the entire time. In fact, he pretty much did. And Will and Elizabeth were on their own. And that separation, though it all tied together well, just didn't work for me.

Also... pacing. Yarrrr. It was too slow in parts. Entirely too slow. Partially because it was trying to follow all three characters at once. (Superman had pacing problems, too. What the heck, summer movies?) Once they were all in the same place on that island, though? It was wonderful. There weren't enough fight scenes, as far as I was concerned, but what there was was, well, pretty amazingly entertaining. An adventure movie just needs more of that (though we could've done with less of the bar fight. Yeah...) And I long ago gave up on watching for chinks in the armor of special effects. Davey Jones' crew was yay.

And just a tiny thing? Too many jokes were made by referencing the previous movie. "Why is the rum always gone?" stuck out like a sore thumb... which made me mad at the writer way too early in the movie (well, okay, indignant. Let a good joke go, or wait for a good spot. When it's not expected, or expected and still funny. The way "but why is the rum gone" follows everyone almost like, well, a tagline, you can't just... stuff it in there like that).

Now my complaining's going to far outweigh anything good I have to say about this movie, by sheer volume, but... well, all of this isn't to say I didn't like it. It wasn't as good as the first one, but the first one was unexpected and different, so there's a bit of letdown inherent in that. It's hard to write a new pirate story. (Which is why I can't get any farther on mine.) Also, I'll admit to cracking up when for some reason Jack Sparrow was using "shiny" in the beginning there. I didn't think that was a pirate work. I thought it was a Firefly word. The only reason P!Hughes used it was Firefly. I have saved logs to prove it. Do you suppose they were sort of space pirates, and that's why? (Actually, I'm going to be stuck up and self-referential for a moment here and go "Wow... I didn't realize I'd hit pirate that well." I'm rather proud of myself. I also feel incredibly derivative, though, considering the number of overlaps, so it all evens out. I'm properly humbled for not citing all my references in the depth they were mined. Hehe.)

Also, dude, it's Pirates. Overall, it was a fun movie. Great fight scenes, amusing action. Pirates. (I want to see ninjas in the next one. Alas.) If it had been a self-contained story like the first one, I'd be very happy. All the pacing problems, and my problems with the plot, link to the horrid To Be Continued. Which isn't even there. It's just implied. Gah. The next movie is going to start with Will, Elizabeth, some witchdoctor-type woman we just met, and the freaking Mutinous Former First Mate from the first movie sailing to the ends of the Earth to fetch Jack from the Kraken. If the writing's good? Wow. Otherwise? So. Doomed. And, as always, if the writing had impressed me more in this one, I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. But just, like I did with the Harry Potter books, for the exact same reason, I am withholding my final judgement until the final installment. It all rests on that. Freaking series. (I've also got my predictions for how this is going to play out, but I've always got predictions. They can stay with me, though, for now. No need for this to be any longer.)

Things I can say out of the cut: Aside from a few problems I had with the writing (I'm never entirely happy with writing anymore, sigh), it was a fun movie. Sadly, I don't think I'd see it twice. But I don't get free movies anymore, so that might be part of it. It also makes me want to dress like a pirate more often. (More often would be any amount of dressing like a pirate. My wardrobe is already mainly ninja... ignoring the random bits of bright colour. It could do with a bit of pirate. Probably in the form of a hat. I could do with a pirate hat. Ooh, and pirate boots. That'd be awesome. I love those boots.)

P.S. On Trailers: For some reason, there was some level on which something about the Transformers trailer clicked with me, leaving me with a strong impression that it had something to do with Giant Robots long, long before it should have. Though somehow this manifested itself as a joking thought that it was a live-action Gundam movie. And for some reason, when it became apparent that it was in fact the Transformers movie, it just caused me to crack up. People were probably confused. But not quite as confused as they were when the Snakes on a Plane trailer came on and I went 'Oh YES! Snakes on a Plane!' long before it was apparent at all that it was SoaP. (I think I was the only one in the theatre with the proper background. Come on people. Don't you use the internet? I mentioned it to my mom in front of the usher, too, joking about missing the preview for it. No nod, no smile. Nothing. How can you work in a theatre and not know about Snakes on a Plane? Seriously.) And the trailer makes it look like a legit movie (unlike the internets trailer). I've already gotten more than ten dollars of entertainment out of just the idea of that movie, so I know I'm going to have to see it. It's only fair.
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From: [identity profile] lisiche.livejournal.com


My friend and I went and saw it dressed like pirates. I have to say that was the most embarassing experience of my life.

But anywho... my two cents is that I rather like what they did with Norrington.

From: [identity profile] evilhippo.livejournal.com


Man, darnit... everyone I know went dressed as a pirate! I don't even have the supplies handy. That sort of thing is just wrong. (-;

You know... I'm not entirely sold on Norrington... but it was an interesting turn. I just don't feel like anyone got enough time. And that's bad for what must've been a nearly three-hour movie. I was somewhat amused by Elizabeth's sudden moral ambiguity... but that's that. Some stories don't survive this kind of division very well, methinks.

From: [identity profile] lisiche.livejournal.com


Oh, I agree. But I still really like that he came back all desperate and tarnished. Elizabeth's very sudden "Well, I guess I'll actively leave you to your death instead of using convincing threats" can be blamed on "OMG IMPENDING DEATH"

.....I will hold vigils for the next movie. May it tie loose ends together well.

From: [identity profile] evilhippo.livejournal.com


I think I need to re-watch the first one. I think my problem with Norrington was that I just didn't care enough about him in the first place that I didn't pay much attention to him in this one. (-; And it's always OMG IMPENDING DEATH! And now we're going to have to deal with her angst. And Will's going to think that her angst is because she was in love with him... which will probably amuse to me to no end, so I hope they exploit that properly. ^_^

May the writers do a good job. That is all we can ask. Otherwise I find them and beat them up.

From: [identity profile] look-alive.livejournal.com


Okay, my main snark with the whole friggen thing was Davey Jones. Namely, this quarrel stems from the fact that HE ISN'T BARBOSSA, INGRATES!!!!!!! So... You can imagine my reaction come the end. I nearly tore Ange's arm off jumping around and screeching in my seat.
And you're right, they reused waaaay too many gags from the first one, but it had some of it's own. My favorite to date being "I feel sullied and unusual." I'm sorry... I'm gonna be saying that a lot in the near future.

Oh, and me and C!Envy feel way special that you referenced him and would like to state that HE STILL WANTS HIS DAMN KRAKEN and hopes now people understand why.~
XD

From: [identity profile] evilhippo.livejournal.com


Poor Ange. (-; But yeah, I think Davey Jones was supposed to somehow carry himself on the whole legend of the sea thing... which didn't quite work, even right off the bat, because they were fiddling with it. I think the Kraken got more explanation than him.

Hehe, I'd almost forgotten about that one. Now it's going to be lurking there in my mind, too, along with the image of Jack-kebob falling to his semi-doom. (-;

From: [identity profile] look-alive.livejournal.com


Huhuh... Yeeeah, I was very physical during the movie. I usually just sit there and kinda fidget and hate the seats because my legs are ten miles long, but I slowly ended up in this weird pretzel position with my foot in the drink-holder and like, oozing continuously downward between random fits of flailing and Kraken-imitation. Because deep down I'm still seven. And yeah, I'm sorry but Davey Jones and the Flying Dutchmen are two very different stories. With a bit more tweaking they would have meshed, but it sort of got left off, you know? And like, wtf even happened to asshole E.I.T. guy? I was too busy having an aneurism over Barbossa to notice.

Oh yeah. The kebab was just love. By the way, I bought a mango, a pineapple, and some apple bananas today at the Farmer's Market and I thought of you, yes I did. <3~
I want an icon of the Jack-kebab.:E

From: [identity profile] evilhippo.livejournal.com


Ahhh, I hate movie theatre seats so much. I can never sit still without my legs going numb... I ended up sitting cross-legged on the seat, because somehow that's more comfortable and my legs stay awake longer.

E.I.T. guys' got the heart, and is all set up to be a random villain next time.

I want a kebab with a mango, pineapple, and some apple bananas, possibly also with Jack Sparrow. Oh, and I hate you, by the way. I hope you know that. We're in between fruit seasons over here. It makes me very sad. Strawberries are done, and everything else seems to arrive with the corn, which isn't for a week or so yet, I think. Le sigh.

From: [identity profile] look-alive.livejournal.com


Yeah, I can never sit there without fidgeting, and I can't tell whether that makes me for or less comfortable. For some reason this time was fine, with my foot in the cup-holder. Wtf.

Oh yeah, I remembered that this afternoon while I was driving around and got very proud of myself. Heheh~

Mmmmmm... Jack Kebab. I love barbequed pineapple. It is SO good. And apple bananas if you sprinkle brown sugar on them and then broil them and they get all caremelized... Mmmmmm. Anyway, we were at this fruit stand thingy out on the coast today getting smoothies and they had this little rack with plant cuttings and transportable orchids and seeds and stuff that are all legal to send, so if you want any kind of thing like that, we'd be happy to send it! They're preeetty~. And most are easy to keep alive. XD

From: [identity profile] evilhippo.livejournal.com


I don't think I've ever encountered theatre seats where I could fit my foot into the cupholder and still be in the seat. I suppose, if I really tried... Hmm...

I've never had barbequed pinapple. Or apple bananas... caramelized. Or been to a fruit stand thingie on the coast with smoothies. And now I'm torn between hating you two more and going "oooh, things that are pretty and legal to send!" But I have nothing cool to send in return.

From: [identity profile] look-alive.livejournal.com


I'm a human pretzel. <3

Come visit us! We shall drown you in fruit!!! Hm... I think there might actually be legal pineapples, but they only sell them at the Honolulu airport and I won't be going through there... I'll work on it. XD And you don't have to worry about sending us stuff! They're not expensive at all. And they're preeetty~

From: [identity profile] evilhippo.livejournal.com


Hey, next time I have a random $700 laying around, maybe I will. (-; Yes, I looked up tickets at total random just to see. But unfortunately, the estate hasn't been managed as well as it was in previous years, and our new butler is demanding exhorbitant amounts for the upkeep of our indoor water park. As much as I'd enjoy death-by-fruit. ... Though I get the feeling this might be one of those "join us for dinner" invitations where I'm then served as dinner... I know from a reputatble source one of you socializes with cannibals. I see your tricks. Mentioning bbq pineapple and caramelizing apple bananas... drowning, which equals death! Yes, I know what you're up to, and if you think you're going to lure me over there just so you can eat me... well... well... you can't! So there!

Equivalent trade, yo. I have... um... homemade strawberry jelly! (-;

From: [identity profile] look-alive.livejournal.com


Heheheeee well you can always come visit me in savannah? *cackle* Actually, that'd be pretty friggen cool. Annnd, can I come to your indoor water park?

I won't eat you, I promise! Ange is the one that likes to gnaw on people, and I can hold her off. I'm good at that.~
BBQ pineapple is friggen AWESOME. ...Now I wanna make it. I'm sitting here on Eric's couch stuffing my face with Dove Promises which needs to stop occurring.

Oooh, strawberry jelly?! Homemade?! *melts into goo all over you*

From: [identity profile] evilhippo.livejournal.com


Or you could come visit me in Chicago. ^_^

I'm sorry. The water park is only for people whose last name is Smith. It's written in blood on the family charter, which is unbreakable lest our ancestors raise an army of ghosts to kill us. ::nods gravely::

You're all "I'll hold her off" and then you type something I read as "BBQ people." Psh. I can't ever trust you now. Cannibal-sympathizer!

Well, technically I think it's jam. I'm still unclear on which kind's still got the bits in. It's got strawberry bits in, so it's probably jam. But yes. Erm... ::picks at the goo::

From: [identity profile] look-alive.livejournal.com


Hmmm... I don't have a car, tho! *sob*

Aaawh... Well, I could just change my last name or something. *ponderponder*

I SAID BBQ PINEAPPLE! NOT PEOPLE! We can just sit on her and eat the pineapple goodness.

Mmmmmmm strawberry... yesssss... *gooquiver* I think we have lilikoi jam. Or, passionfruit. Whatever you call it. It tastes like happiness and... stuff.

From: [identity profile] evilhippo.livejournal.com


Me neither! But there's always Greyhound... which isn't as sketchy as it seems... as long as you're going to Canada. >.>

You could... but make sure I don't find out, because we're allowed to set fire to people who try to cheat the system.

Wait, is she made of pineapple? Because if she's a pinapple creature, that means she's just a quirk of evolution and not really a cannibal, some kind of evil pinapple revenge... and we can resolve this peacefully without completely eating anyone!

We picked the strawberries ourselves, too! ^_^ And mmm, passionfruit jam sounds very tasty. ::goopoke::

From: [identity profile] look-alive.livejournal.com


Buuuut.. I won't be going to Canada! I wonder how much it is to go from Savannah to Chicago. Hmmmm... I love any excuse to either have out-of-town visitors or get out myself. All I ever do is sit in my room and work on school stuff forEVER.

...Hm. Maybe she is pineapple. In which case, I have first dibs.

STRAWBERRIES YEEEEESSS!
*ooze*

From: [identity profile] evilhippo.livejournal.com


Holy crap, it's like... $300 to get down there on Greyhound! Eek. And it's nearly $400 on Amtrak. ::blinks:: Wow. It's only a bit more than $300 to fly. Eesh. It'd be easier to rent a car and drive it. Freaking travel expenses. Guests are so much fun, though. If I'm lucky and housing smiles upon us for next year ::knock on wood, crosses fingers:: there'll even be a spare bed. And I'm getting good at getting just the right amount of lost in Chicago that the wandering is fun, but not yet dangerous. (-;

I suppose that's only fair. You saw her first. And you're closer.

::tries not to step in the ooze::

From: [identity profile] look-alive.livejournal.com


OMG! My boyfriend has a car but like, gas is scaryexpensive. Hmmm... We shall have to work on this, because it would be way too awesome. I have an apartment. No extra bed, but lots of sleeping space, which people are constantly collapsing on. Bwhaha. I've never been to Chicago. *wants companyyy*

I'll mail you some. They probably wouldn't get me in trouble under the circumstances. She's... people. Pineapple? Wtf.

*oozes at j00*

From: [identity profile] evilhippo.livejournal.com


Arrgh, I keep forgetting how crazy-expensive gas is (on account of not having a car and not having to deal with it much). I wonder if they let you rent hybrids yet... and if they're crazymuch expensiveness extracharge.

Chicago is coolness. Sure, it's not New York City, but it's done me good for living-in the past three years. We've got Oprah (who doesn't share her ice cream.) I've never been south, though (or west)... which means it's going to have to be explored.

That'd be fun to declare on the little checksheet they give you when you're mailing things sometimes. I wonder if there's a ticky-box for "Human Pineapple".

Ohnoes teh oozing is comging at me!

From: [identity profile] look-alive.livejournal.com


I thought you had to be 25 to rent a car? I hate that stupid law. I've rented a car before, but that was because it was on San Juan island in Washington and my aunt knew the agency. It was fuuun~

Big cities sorta freak me out. I've barely spent any time in them. And Oprah... I was just looking at some article Eric's mom has in a magazine that was talking about Oprah's Hawaii getaway. GAAAAH. And yes! Come explore Savannah!

Heheheh. That needs to be a category, right next to Red Stone.

*flail*

From: [identity profile] evilhippo.livejournal.com


I dunno... I know you have to be 25 in Ohio, but when I was moving out this year, everyone was like "But dude, why don't you rent a car? You only have to be 18." So... either they're very wrong, or it's different in Illinois? But apparently they've managed to rent cars.

I bet if I stole Oprah's identity, they'd let me rent a car. I've got a thing for big cities, though. I suppose they can be sort of freaky, but if you've got a proper guide, the worst that can happen is random guys in the street up in Belmont (which is the more bohemian area) thinking you and whoever you're with are a couple. (-; Then you can very loudly break up on the next street corner, and to make up, go get caramelcorn and smoothies. Or go back downtown and sit on the river and make faces at all the tourists as they go by on boat tours.

Do they charge extra to ship red stone? I bet you have to insure it well, people probably steal that stuff like whoa. Human Pineapple's probably slightly safer.

Since when can ooze flail!?

From: [identity profile] look-alive.livejournal.com


Huh. I wonder if that's possible? If it is, I charge you with the power vested in me by uh... uhhhhh... Eric's couch! Yeah! That you must come visit me! I'm sure I could help with gas or something like that.

Lol! My last big city experience was Sakura Con in Seattle with Ange. We went to Cheesecake Factory and joined up with these two random guys to get a table faster and two hours later we realized they thought we were a couple the whole time. It was awesome. And it helped we were eating cheesecake off each other. We like telling people about that for some reason. XD

Hmmm... What if you just packaged Red Stone with some Gushers fruit snacks? The strawberry kind are pretty much the exact same thing.

SINCE NOW OMG

From: [identity profile] evilhippo.livejournal.com


I shall find out! It's a shame it'd be near-impossible to pull a fake-id trick on a car rental place. And the subsequent arrest and fines wouldn't be worth it. (-;

Actually, according to my research ::proper pensive pose:: you can rent if you're 21-24, but they charge you an extra $25. So if I could make it in a day... it'd cost me about $175, plus tax and gas. And I'd have to rent another car to get back, because keeping it while I was there would bankrupt me. Goshdarnit, why can't travel be cheap? ... I wonder if I could hitchhike. If I did it on a break, there's bound to be someone heading south... Hmmm.

I think eating cheesecake off of someone else might be a pretty good way to confuse people as to the exact nature of the relationship. (-; Was this also when the foot fetish girl showed up with the lego keyblade?

I imagine as long as it was a solid box, it'd be okay. Because if any of them got squished, it'd become immediately apparent what was Gushers and what was red stone. Mmm, Gushers and red stone.

These comments are getting really hard to read. I bet it's because of your oozing and flailing.

From: [identity profile] look-alive.livejournal.com


Huzzah! And yeah, that is just way too expensive. I really wish I had a job this summer godsdammit! It would make life later on a loooot easier in the money department. And an extra $25 really isn't too bad... Hm.

Heheh, yeah. Then again, that's pretty normal for us. my own mother even asked me, "Are you two involved?" I cracked up so hard. And yes, this is when the foot-fetish lego woman showed up and started hitting on us. While we were waiting for the table. She was SO creepy likewoah. I take it Ange mentioned that already? Lol.

Mm... Gushers and Red Stone.

Lol, suuure blame me. We certainly are the goddesses of thread-evolution.

From: [identity profile] evilhippo.livejournal.com


Whyyy, why are we not employed? Look at all the attention we put into our work! We're priceless employees! And no, $25 extra isn't too bad. Except for the part where the car's way expensive otherwise. Sigh. I had no idea they were so crazy-expensive to rent.

Ah, ambiguity. Kekeke. My mom apparently has no idea what to think of me... which amuses me to no end. I umm... I have no idea what I'd have done about a foot-fetish lego woman, had I ever met one. And yes, Ange mentioned that a while back. The idea of a lego keyblade is pretty cool, if it's pulled off properly. But being a creepy person and hitting on people while weilding one is rather uncool. Why can't people be cool?

You're going to run me out of icons. I think our other thread is more on-topic than this one. Weren't we talking about Pirates earlier? (-; I actually had to go back and check.

From: [identity profile] look-alive.livejournal.com


I'm telling you, we should just plug the RP to a television network! Look at all of us poor, starving, talented writers! *sniff* We're just all worth so much! ...Friggen cars.

I am the queen of ambiguity in that department. I just say that I like people. Gender is relatively vestigial. I never bothered to talk to my mom about it. It doesn't surprise me that Ange mentioned that, lol.

BWAHAHA I only have six! You can't complain! And yeah, the other one makes me sign out of C!Envy's lj to reply so I keep having to juggle. Kywaaaah. ...Pirates yar.

From: [identity profile] evilhippo.livejournal.com


Hey, check out our massive cracky writing project that infringes not one set of copyrights, but... letsee... at least three more. (-; And makes no sense to anyone, even us. We're still worth at least a car, though! Freaking cheapskate TV networks.

My mom remains slightly bothered that I'm not attracted at all to Tommy Lee. She thinks it's some kind of hormone problem. But... dude, he's dirty and old. Wtf. ::tangent::

I can too complain! I could probably complain in pirate-speak if it wasn't past my bedtime.

From: [identity profile] look-alive.livejournal.com


Hahah, you do realize that with just a few tweaks, this whole thing would stand on it's own easily.

My mom is pretty ambivelent. And yeah, Tommy Lee... EEEW. I'm currently in love with Tilta Swinton from Constantine and Narnia.

Ahoy yar yar plank yar!

From: [identity profile] evilhippo.livejournal.com


And it is those stilts that I fear most. Actually, I think it's already standing on its own. It's nearly walking. Probably on its way to destroying a small city, carrying off innocent bystanders and mercilessly rolling them into redstone.

I think my mom just enjoys teasing me.

Fiddlesticks!

From: [identity profile] look-alive.livejournal.com


It is absolutely walking. I think at this point it's just the names and a matter of giving the clones their own aesthetic identities, so to speak. Our baby is all grown up and sacking civilized cultures!

From: [identity profile] evilhippo.livejournal.com


Their own aesthetic identities? Pah! I say we hire an army of twins, or employ camera tricks. I want the actors to play both parts if they don't have a twin! I will not compromise my artistic vision!

Awww, I love this stage! ::snaps pictures:: It'll be so cute when it makes it to the seat of government and sets it on fire.

From: [identity profile] look-alive.livejournal.com


...There is this, yes.

Well, me and Lisa were talking about what great joint-despots C!Envy and T!Ed would make. C!Envy gets the scepter, T!Ed gets the crown.

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